OP: Did Lord Buddha have any oppositions with the Vedas, Brahman and Vedic rituals, cultures and deities? by Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:14 pm, Post ... That was not the main reason for rejection of Vedas by Buddha. But for certain historical reasons, anattā became a bedrock doctrine of Buddhism. Buddha was not against Vedas as such. Atman and eternalism are core doctrines of the Upanishads. by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:15 pm, Post Gautama Buddha was serene and tranquil to the extreme as the intensity amply conveyed depth of his realisation of the highest order of enlightenment. The power attributed to these revered sages by Buddhists is scarcely inferior to that of the Arhats, which we shall have to notice at greater length by and bye. It is often believed that Sri Buddha rejected the authority of Vedas and that led him to set up a new religion. BUDDHISM is a religious revolution against the evils that are dominant in Brahmanism. Post-Vedic texts like the Gita are also revered. According to this tradition, Buddhism is a Nastika school since it rejects the authority of the Vedas. The Buddha was an English gentleman and rejected anything foreign sounding. Loading... Unsubscribe from RAMANJI108? The Buddha has indirectly rejected this claim arguing that if no teachers of the Vedic tradition have had vision of Brahmaa, the so-called creator of the Vedas and this universe, the talk of Brahmaa is a blind talk, just as when a string of blind men clinging to one another, neither can the foremost see, nor can the middle see, nor can the hindmost see. Describing the great work of the Buddha, Ambedkar stated that the founder of Buddhism had “repudiated the authority of the Vedas“.When Buddha condemned “karma kanda“ (rituals) and Yagnas, Ambedkar stated, the “counter-revolutionaries“ opposed him saying these things “were ordained by the Vedas, the Vedas were infallible.“ But the Tamil Naan Marai mentioned in Tholkappiam isn't Sanskrit Vedas. The layperson believes that whereas the Veda accepts the idea of the ātman (translated into English as “Self”), which is both immanent and transcendent, Buddhism does not. Buddha rejected the idea of the caste system and the influence of gods in man's progress towards enlightenment. The Buddha rejected the 5 Vedas, according to the dialogues seen in the nikayas. How does a layperson achieve enlightenment? This is The Fifth Part Of Philosophical Paper Presented By Sunil Upasana In The Swadeshi Indology Conference – 2, Held At IGNCA, New Delhi On February 2017. It was Gautam Buddha who rejected the authority of Vedas because Vedas sanctions animal slaughter and Hindus of his time did sacrifice animals so he wanted them to stop this practice. But He rejected it outwardly because the Suradbishu or the demons who are always envious of the devotees of Godhead would try to put forward the evidence of cow killing or animal killing from the pages of the Vedas as it is being done by the modernised Sannyasins(? The Buddha definitely rejected the authority of the Vedas and hinted that even Vedic scholars cannot be sure that the Vedas are true, in the Canki Sutta. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step", in his own eyes? Lord Buddha had to reject the authority of the Vedas … Share your thoughts. Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths - what can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies? In fact, Buddha rejected not only the Veda but also all the Gods, like Indra, Shiva or Vishnu. Most of the Vedas were however pre-Buddhist. The Buddha rejected the 5 Vedas, according to the dialogues seen in the nikayas. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. They are the èg Veda, the Sāma Veda, the Yajur Veda, all composed between the 13th and 7th century BC, and the Atharva Veda, included into the sacred canon only several centuries after the Buddha. )-Lord Buddha had to reject the authority of the Vedas altogether. He accepted the Vedic gods and cosmology, but did not believe these gods could lead people to liberation and that in fact they too were still part of the cycle of birth and death and in need of liberation. Mahatma Gandhi , Speech delivered in Colombo in 1927, quoted by Gurusevak Upadhyaya: Buddhism and Hinduism, p. iii. Therefore Buddhists reject the Vedas. In the Sangarava Sutta, the Buddha rejected purification rites using water. The Buddha mentioned in the Devi Bhagavat, a more recent text, and in Shakti Pramoda, refers to Shakya Simha Buddha – not the Vishnu Avatara Buddha. Press J to jump to the feed. Hence they don’t accept any metaphysical truth. Status of women: No distinctions between men and women. Why Mahatma Buddha rejected Vedas 9. Swami Vivekananda is of the same view. by Sunil Upasana. Here are some of his monks: #5 Rick O'Shez, Sep 2, 2016. So, basically, he opposed a lot of ideas that were floating at that time in their distorted versions, but he did not reject the Vedas as such. The Buddha said that nothing is eternal, he considered revelation to be an unreliable means of knowledge and he rejected the idea of a supreme god as unconvincing. Although, Mr Vivekananda did not dare much to condemn Buddha but here are some of his extremely offensive and illogical remarks on Gautama Buddha and his philosophies: 1) Buddha is said to have denied the Vedas because there is so much Himsa (killing) and other things. The truth remains that there are many different demigods and demigoddesses who are worshipped by their respective devotees, in the same way that Shakya Simha Buddha (who was an atheist) is worshipped or glorified by his followers. Last edited: Sep 2, 2016. by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:25 pm, Post After all, the Buddha is reputed to have rejected the Vedas, a move that earned his tradition the "nastika" label (atheist or infidel), as opposed to the six astika darshanas or orthodox philosophical systems, of which Vedanta is one. The term veda means “knowledge” in that they are thought to contain the fundamental knowledge relating to the underlying cause of, function of, and personal response to existence. Buddha's Religious Philosophy is => There is NO Need to POSIT the Concept of G-O-D=GOD to Establish "MORALITY" in the Society => ATHEISM--Morality comes from -According to Sri .Gauthama Siddhartha -Later was called as =>BUDDHA ("WISE MAN) by his Followers --in 3 ways => BUDDHAM (WISDOM) --DHAMMAM ( RIGHT CONDUCT) --SANGAM ( Company of RIGHT THINKING PEOPLE) He repudiated their thesis that the Veda s are infallible and their authority could never be questioned. The Buddha said that nothing is eternal, he considered revelation to be an unreliable means of knowledge and he rejected the idea of a supreme god as unconvincing. The heterodox schools are those who reject the authority of the Vedas. He believed that everybody is equal. Mahāparinirvāṇa-sūtra in China I conclude with a last word on Dharmakṣema, the translator of MPNS into Chinese, who was a great celebrity of his times. Re: Did Lord Buddha accept the authority or reject the vedas. He had attained the Ultimate Consciousness and he had nothing left before him to attain more or strive for. This is why Buddhism is a heresy to the devout Hindu. The Vedas are the religious texts which inform the religion of Hinduism (also known as Sanatan Dharma meaning “Eternal Order” or “Eternal Path”). Our discussion would be about what Buddha's belief and vision was and how he decided that he would not simply believe what other tell him but will find his own path. Mahatma Buddha did not reject Vedas per se, but the malpractices happening in name of Vedas. The Buddhist path combines both philosophical reasoning and meditation. Hindu has never made any restrictions to anybody to come in or to go out, because it is founded for the welfare of humanity, irrespective of time or place. He also rejected the idea of caste system. Lord Buddha had to reject the authority of the Vedas altogether. circa 450 BCE) is the individual whose teachings form the basis of the Buddhist tradition. Buddhist philosophy refers to the philosophical investigations and systems of inquiry that developed among various Buddhist schools in India following the parinirvana (i.e. Nagarjuna (~200 CE), explicitly rejected ātman (self, soul), claiming in Mūlamadhyamakakārikā that “Buddha taught the doctrine of no-self.” The Self-Noself dichotomy means that the philosophical foundations of Hinduism and Buddhism are different. Those who deny the authority of the Vedas are said to be heretical (nàsitaka). 21. What we call Hindhuism, as exemplified by such as the Bhagavad Gita, is pretty much a something that arose in response to Buddhism. Marai literally means "hidden, a secret, mystery". They reject the Vedas because they don’t think “word” is a valid epistemology and only perception. Step by Step. The Buddha has indirectly rejected this claim arguing that if no teachers of the Vedic tradition have had vision of Brahmaa, the so-called creator of the Vedas and this universe, the talk of Brahmaa is a blind talk, just as when a string of blind men clinging to one another, neither can the foremost see, nor can the middle see, nor can the hindmost see. A Buddhist discussion forum on the Dhamma of Theravāda Buddhism, Post “ The Buddhists have been equally deceived with Brahmins, in the … Is the Vedas writings of the Buddha? >> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? Siddhartha Gautama (better known as the Buddha, l. c. 563 - c. 483 BCE) was, according to legend, a Hindu prince who renounced his position and wealth to seek enlightenment as a spiritual ascetic, attained his goal and, in preaching his path to others, founded Buddhism in India in the 6th-5th centuries. Buddha a. There are four Vedas, although only three are mentioned in the Buddhist scriptures (M.II,133). A few Upanishads are pre-Buddhist but the majority came later. The Hinduism at the time of Buddha was Brahmanism and included a transmigrating soul, the caste system, henotheism, and animal sacrifices, which Buddha rejected. It really is meaningless. In short, the Buddha rejected the belief that there is an "atman" and the divine authority of the Vedas, and the Vedic sacrifices of animals. by Prasadachitta » Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:36 pm, Post The Buddha was one of them and he was not wrong in doing so. The Vedas are the most ancient and most important of all Hindu sacred literature. People claimed that these were Vedic sacrifices. For example, if you call someone – He is a Neta of India – today, he may get offended and feel as if you have called him corrupt and manipulative. The Buddha rejected the basis of the Brahmanism that existed at his time. Comments 0. 10 Bhagavad Gita Shlokas which changed my life! About the achievement of Buddhahood, Vivekananda gave the affirmative answer that it is a kind of gain. Why Mahatma Buddha rejected Vedas 9. In Hinduism, philosophies are classified either as Astika or Nastika, that is, philosophies that either affirm or reject the authorities of the Vedas. God. Did Lord Buddha accept the authority or reject the vedas? Status of women: No distinctions between men and women. In the Dhammapada (129-130) Buddha says, “All beings fear death and pain, life is dear to all; therefore the wise man will not kill or cause anything to be killed.” When the Vedas are not accepted through the authoritative disciplic succession, the casual readers of the Vedas are misled by the flowery language of that system of knowledge. Buddha has not rejected any religion as per the prevailing practice of Hindu. He also cast serious doubts on the claim that the authors of the Vedas had divine knowledge. And also the spiritual world, the Vaikuntha.We judge a tree by its fruits. BUDDHISM. Very simple dude. Rejection and disagreeing are two different connotations to the emotions that a person may have. Do you believe he was right in doing so? But according to Vivekananda, Buddha has no authority to reject the Veda. For him, it was all about Karma. r/Buddhism: A reddit for all kinds of Buddhist teachings. Rejection and disagreeing are two different connotations to the emotions that a person may have. After all, the Buddha is reputed to have rejected the Vedas, a move that earned his tradition the "nastika" label (atheist or infidel), as opposed to the six astika darshanas or orthodox philosophical systems, of which Vedanta is one. Nor did he accept going to the Brahmins as priests. 9/12 p. 104. Solar Eclipse, June 2020 is going to be lucky for these four zodiac signs! This classification is late medieval, after the decline of Buddhism in India. During the time of Lord Buddha many Vedic Brahmanas were misinterpreting the Vedic injunctions and needlessly sacrificing so many innocent animals. But he rejected it outwardly because the sura-dviṣa, or the demons who are always envious of the devotees of Godhead, try to support cow-killing or animal-killing from the pages of the Vedas, and this is now being done by the modernized sannyāsīs. or distance. The fully enlightened teacher 2. The Buddha was strongly opposed to the first tenet of Brahmanism. by Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:28 pm, Post Mahatma Buddha did not reject Vedas per se, but the malpractices happening in name of Vedas. December 16, 2019. There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12 Buddha had never rejected the authority of Vedas in their pure form. Vedas are generally regarded as sacred in Hinduism. ... Hindu Scriptures, Vedas, Upanishads and Gita | Talk by Jay Lakhani - Hindu Academy London - Duration: 30:29. He claimed 'anatman' ie 'no soul' / existence being completely null and void without any soul or … 0 1. Budhha and The Vedas. The mother goddess Mantras- remedies for all miseries, defilement and ensuring Welfare, Ganesh Gayatri Mantra Meaning, Advance Benefits and Power. Will you count it as a part of Hinduism? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<<, This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond, ↳   TERMS OF SERVICE (including reporting procedures), ↳   LINK TO: Dharma Wheel Engaged Forum (DWE), ↳   LINK TO: Dharma Wheel - Mahayana & Vajrayana Forum (DWM), ↳   LINK TO: Dharma Paths—Comparative Religion Forum, ↳   LINK TO: Dhamma Wiki - Buddhist encyclopedia, ↳   LINK TO: Google Saffron: Theravāda Search Engine, ↳   News, Current Events & Politics (Archive). His criticism of these claims was not based on ignorance. Gautama Buddha didn't accept the Vedas as an authority, so it would be odd for him to borrow that concept from the Vedas. © 2020 Times Internet Limited. But he did not believe in blind faith. Buddha also rejected Veda, because it teaches violence. by Satori » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:05 pm, Post by Satori » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:33 pm, Post What's your opinion on this topic? Bhagavan Buddha rejected the scriptures, and even Sage Sri, Sankara indicated that, the ultimate truth lies beyond religion, the concept of God and the scriptures.+*****. I The Buddha (fl. Gautama Shakyamuni, who claimed to be the Enlightened One, the Buddha, rejected bloody sacrifices, the authority of the Vedas, trust in rituals and the caste system, and taught a religion of moral endeavor which was to be obtained by enlightenment, or the bodhi. Thus, Lord Buddha appeared and rejected the Vedic rituals and preached the philosophy of nonviolence. Thus, Lord Buddha appeared and rejected the Vedic rituals and preached the philosophy of nonviolence. In some parts of South India (e.g. There were lots of social reformers who opposed the wrong practices done by bunch of people who claimed that they are an authority on the Vedas. Buddhists deny this. For example, if you call someone – He is a Neta of India – today, he may get offended and feel as if you have called him corrupt and manipulative. In order to stop this slaughter Lord Buddha rejected the Vedas and put forth His own philosophy of Shunyavada. But Vedas have to be rejected as they talk about many gods, divide humanity based on chaturvarna and preach inequality and suppression of women and shudras who are said to belong to the fourth or the lowermost varna or caste. He restored the path of reason, logic and experience. The Buddha also rejected the practice of animal sacrifices, the efficacy of rituals and the caste system, all of which are legitimized by the Vedas. ...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. Well, the title itself may be bit misleading but a lot of people believe that he did. Buddha never worshiped anything and his religion was beyond the casts and discriminations. Explanation: It is good that someone sees some value in Buddhism and Buddha is recognized The Buddha also put no reliance on the Vedas, or on practice of their nature worship, or on the performance of their rituals as a means of redemption. The Veda is the mother’s milk that the Buddha did not allow his disciples to partake until they had purified themselves with the austere message of emptiness. The teachings 3. Those who deny the authority of the Vedas are said to be 'impure' (nāstaka). This is why Buddhism was classed as a nastika tenet system. “ The Buddhists have been equally deceived with Brahmins, in the estimate they have formed of the character of the Rishis. The Buddha rejected the basis of the Brahmanism that existed at his time. He also believed in their role as a subsidiary and not the primary tool. Buddhism Rejected the Vedas and Brahmin authority o Continuation of pre-Hindu traditions o Hinduism --> devotion, Jainism --> asceticism, Buddhism --> mindfulness o Liberation comes from our efforts, not from devotion Often atheistic Originated in India Developed about 2,500 years ago The 3 Gems 1. Buddha disproved the Brahma as a creator of all the living beings on this earth. In fact, this is a baseless argument. Buddhism is centered upon the life and teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, who came to be known as the Buddha — the enlightened one, or one who is awake — whereas Christianity is centered on the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ.Buddhism is a nontheistic religion or philosophy, i.e., it does not believe in a supreme creator being a.k.a. Those who say that the Buddha was a Hindu or that Buddhism is a reformed version of Hinduism are seriously misinformed. He gave it a new life and a new interpretation.' Killing of animals before the advent of Lord Buddha was the most prominent feature of the society. The Vedas espouse a metaphysical truth: Brahman. by Prasadachitta » Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:29 pm, Post Without breaking away from religion and religious traditions, it is impossible to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. But it is very difficult to understand his views even by his followers as Buddha himself said if anyone want to understand a person he or she has to develop or raise his or her intellect at the level of that person first. Buddha appeared and rejected the Vedic rituals and preached the philosophy of nonviolence. He introduced cricket and cucumber sandwiches though. Post-Vedic texts like the Gita are also revered. Sramana was an ancient Indian religious movement with origins in the Vedic religion. Buddha was never against the Vedas. Buddha never rejected Hinduism, but he broadened its base. My personal understanding is a bit on the moderate scale--something that Buddha himself propagated, saying that we should leave the extremities and choose the middle path. death) of the Buddha and later spread throughout Asia. The authority of the Vedas was again established by Sripad Adi Sankaracharya. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. He did not like the idea of usefulness of rituals as independent tools. The Buddha definitely rejected the idea of the Atman (an indivisible indestructible eternal self at the core of beings) and he also rejected the concept of eternalism. We have so much work to do. But he rejected it outwardly because the sura-dvisha, or the demons who are always envious of the devotees of Godhead, try to support cow-killing or animal-killing from the pages of the Vedas, and this is now being done by the modernized sannyasis. In the Dhammapada(129-130) Buddha says, "All beings fear death and pain, life is dear to all; therefore the wise man will not kill or cause anything to be killed." However, it took a divergent path, rejecting Vedic Hindu ritualism and the authority of the Brahmins—the traditional priests of the Hindu religion. Women are equal to … by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:11 pm, Post his teachings, why they are rejected in India at his time itself and afterward? It is often believed that Sri Buddha rejected the authority of Vedas and that led him to set up a new religion. Answer: – No! Thus Buddha completely rejected the Vedas & found an atheistic religion from ground up. Every page of Buddhism is a fight with the Vedas (the ritualistic aspect). by Satori » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:26 pm, Post Malcolm wrote: Buddha rejects śruti, the idea that the Vedas are self-originated. As he happened to … Buddha is founder of the religion called "Buddhis" as per the historians, BUDDHA VEDAS RAMANJI108. Zindgi Na Milegi Dobara: A contradicting title? ... Peace is Possible! Well, Lord Buddha , seems to have taken ideas from Hinduism, in the pali canon , there is mentioning of Hindu deities, such as Yama. Buddhism is in sharp contrast to Hinduism.Still, many Buddhist do not disregard the beliefs of Hindus, and the amount of similarities is numerous. Thus, like any sane morally upright person would do, Mahatma Buddha stated that: “If Vedas sanction these evil practices, then I reject Vedas.” Had Gautam Buddha obtained an opportunity to study the actual Vedas and not go by the false notions prevailing, he could no … Bhagavan Buddha rejected the Vedas, religion and concept of God ***** Sage Sri, Sankara says:~ VC-59 - The study of the Scriptures are useless so long as the highest Truth is unknown, and it is equally useless when the highest Truth has already been known. All rights reserved, Three assumptions of Eastern Spiritualism in Hindi: Six-word poems, Service or sewa bhav connects one another selflessly in Sikhism: Haiku. Dharma a. Yes it is writings of the Buddha. Vedas are called Maṛai or Vaymoli in parts of South India. Vedas are generally regarded as sacred in Hinduism. For example, he disagreed that rituals can bring enlightenment but he did not reject the performing of rituals. [3] This was, he rejected the authority of the Vedas by denying its biggest truth. by Satori » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:16 pm, Post In the Dhammapada (129-130) Buddha says, "All beings fear death and pain, life is dear to all; therefore the wise man will not kill or cause anything to be killed." Buddha had never rejected the authority of Vedas in their pure form. by Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:34 pm, Post by Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:35 pm. So based on this then Buddhism was opposed to the Vedic religion.Interestingly the Buddha came to be seen as an avatarof the god Vishnu in some forms Hinduism. the Iyengar communities), the word veda is used in the Tamil writings of the Alvar saints. by Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:12 pm, Post In reality, the Buddha disagreeing with lots of beliefs and concepts of Vedas but he did not reject the Vedas. Quoted from Elst, Koenraad (2002). 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