Renan and others contend instead that Apostle John was filled with “hatred,” and falsely attributed these words in Revelation to Jesus. Apollos, a Jew of Alexandria. Second,  ignoring that fact, scholars agree that subsequently no “official” canon was ever determined until the Council of Trent in the 1500s – by the Roman Catholic church. In sum, because all John’s writings underscore obedience / faith and works including the continuity of the Law, we can deduce Paul’s churches came under John’s sway. (God from heaven spoke at Jesus’ baptism before numerous witnesses, and again at the transfiguration before Moses and Elijah, and two apostles.) Succinctly: In Acts, if Paul is always inspired, then Paul gave a failed prophecy that death would happen to some in a shipwreck on a journey (Acts 27:10 "bring loss of our lives"), but then no death happened, per Luke. One of the key reasons for Paul being eclipsed is that when read carefully, Apostle John’s writings are all critical of Paul. Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Nominative 1st Person Singular. Famous scholars such as Renan who are Paul-fans admit Revelation chapter 2 is an attack on Paul’s validity on both issues, but they contend it was not from Jesus. 15:9.) The Ephesians are also commended by Jesus for recognizing not to listen to the one who says it is ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols. When, whenever. The Ephesians are also commended by Jesus for recognizing not to listen to the one who says it is ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols. Revelation came first (highly critical). Finally, there are many more implicitly negative references by Jesus to Paul. It was highly critical in doctrine, if you knew pisteuos eis in John 3:16 and everywhere else in John means obey unto, not believe in. Renan and others contend instead that Apostle John was filled with “hatred,” and falsely attributed these words in Revelation to Jesus. You wish to examine the issue of Paul by when Paul ended up in canon. Acts 27:22-24. A primary pronoun of the first person I. Verb - Present Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular. This still means that Paul only appeared to be a Christian, but was not truly one because Paul had the wrong Jesus all along. Jesus told us to follow Him alone, yet Paul says 1Co 4:16 "Wherefore I beseech (beg) you, be ye followers of me." It is a grave mistake to follow after anybody else but Jesus. Revelation came first (highly critical). Jesus did not abrogate the Law but reaffirmed it in multiple passages including Matthew 5:17-20; (3.) Uggh!). Jesus says you will know it is truly himself only if he is seen from eastern to western sky, and every eye on earth sees him. See Renan, St. Paul at, The only other time “ravening wolves” is used in all of the Bible other than Jesus’s 1x in Matt 7:15 and Gen 49:10 1x is in Ezekiel. 9:20-21 where Paul advises he acts law-compliant around those who believe the Law continues, but he knows he is not under the Law / Nomos inwardly). Famous scholars such as Renan who are Paul-fans admit Revelation chapter 2 is an attack on Paul’s validity on both issues, but they contend it was not from Jesus. See Jesus on Paul the Least. No other writer of Scripture issued such an imperative. He came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish it (Matt. Yes. This is what my book Jesus' Words Only focuses upon. See link to free online copy. Any one, some one, a certain one or thing. Here no such context is inferable. See, Long after Peter's death appears 2 Peter 3:17-18. He came as the Messiah, but God's plan from the beginning was for the whole world to be blessed through the Jews. Is Paul an Apostle of Jesus Christ? Walking with Jesus Christ means seeing the sin he reveals, … Once you have made the decision to follow Jesus, you can become one of His disciples. SERMON POINTS . He is not the King of the Church for the Church is His body, the body of Christ, not a kingdom. Why is because all believers are the true Church and Bride of Christ. The New Testament gives us a choice; either we follow Jesus Christ, or the anti-Christ Paul of Tarsus: Each one demands his followers to accept his teachings: PAUL said :Be ye followers of me… that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you. Second, Jesus warns that after his Ascension many will come in his name (“Jesus”) in the wilderness or private places, and say they are Himself. Either way, it is strike one. See also Apostle John was Critical of Paul. 1. Constantine was a Sun-Worshipper. Following Jesus – Can I be a disciple? Follow Jesus or Paul? Paul, Paulus. See Paul's Contradictions of Jesus. Is Paul a prophet? All of them claim to be able to speak authoritatively. Well, I’m not so sure it’s either right or wrong. He specially condemns those who magnified his name. Jesus says not to listen to them, for they are imposter Jesuses. At the same time, the Ebionite early leaders of the church were now called heretics. A primary particle; properly, assigning a reason. Paul also put a curse of "severance from Christ" on Sabbath keeping in his epistle to the Galatians. We believe that the Bible is inspired by God, and that the teachings in it are inspired by God. When this passage also says many twist Paul as other “graphe,” the word graphe means nothing more than the word ‘writing.’ It did not signify nor imply Paul was inspired. I pray you will examine these issues, asking yourself what does Jesus say … not what do I say. And then John’s letters talk negatively indirectly of Paul’s doctrine, especially where Paul in 2 passages says that Jesus only appeared to be a man, etc. Or if we think Paul is always inspired, then we must realize that is false, because Paul's first words of prediction in Acts 27:10 failed. That is asking about human opinion, and thus of secondary importance. eternal life and that is Jesus and there is only one GOSPEL that leads to eternal life and that is His words. History of Jesus' Words Only Canon Movements. Members of the Church, the body of Christ are heirs of God and joint-heirs of Christ (Romans 8.17), not subjects. In the 300s, we find Paul’s writings are 27% of the time wholly printed apart from the NT. 1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. In 321 AD he enacted as the day of rest SUN-DAY to honor the “venerable” (worship-worthy) SUN even though he disengenuinously later claimed shortly before the Nicene Council of 325 AD to have been a ‘Christian’ long prior to 321 AD  -- since 312 AD. 12:7 that he will leave Paul subject to control of a demon ("angel of Satan"), rather than release Paul from its control, with Paul's Jesus explaining supposedly why -- Jesus' favor so far to Paul has been enough, and this Angel of Satan will keep Paul humble. Verb - Present Indicative Active - 2nd Person Plural. So does Constantine’s experience with “Jesus.”  So does Joseph Smith’s experience with “Jesus.”  See Jesus' Prophecy about Who Identified Himself to Paul Outside Damascus. (Matt 24:5-8, 24-27). However, it is contrary to the Holy Spirit’s direction in Acts 10 on Cornelius to Peter, and then Acts 15 where Peter affirmed the Holy Spirit chose Peter "long ago" to be the Apostle to the Gentiles. Please elaborate. In Ezekiel, "ravening wolves" is used to describe religious leaders that draw believers away from following the Law including the keeping of the Sabbath. See, The only basis for the canon at that 16th century conference was a letter of inquiry from North African bishops who proposed in 397 AD to the church at Rome a list to approve. Etc. From aner and ops; man-faced, i.e. It is also very damaging to Paul's credibility that he met the true Jesus because Paul's Jesus supposedly says in 2 Cor. I discuss this thoroughly at, Many do accept Paul’s writings at this time. This was the case even though for the first 300 years, the Ebionite Hebrew version of Matthew was repeatedly quoted as a 5th Gospel. Are ye not carnal?--Better, are ye not only men? Again, that supports even as of the early 300s that Paul was still not attached to the Bible. To Israel, Jesus is the King of Israel, the King of the Jews. Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. A king has subjects. Next, in Acts, Paul is called by a voice and sees an appearance of someone in light who says “I am Jesus” in the wilderness. • Paul Says The Pharisees Followed The Law Rigorously, But Jesus Says They Were Lax About The Law. See also, In the 300s, attention returned to Paul because his anti-Sabbath and anti-Law position was desirable to Emperor Constantine. See Constantine's Damage to Christianity. It just is. Likewise, when Paul called believers to imitate him and follow him as he followed Christ, he was not asking them to be apostles or to heal the sick, but to live as he lived - by the principles by which Christ lived. What if we decided to RISK it all and follow Jesus? Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers, NT Letters: 1 Corinthians 3:4 For when one says I follow Paul (1 Cor. From Benjamin’s tribe will arise one at the same time that a prince of peace arises from the tribe of Judah. See. John says any notion Jesus did not have true human flesh is the message of Anti-Christ -- the only place the Greek NT uses that term. Furthermore, history proves Paul's relative irrelevance - a topic we rarely are told about. Jesus said if he claimed he was the Son of God, without confirmation by 2 witnesses, his claim would be untrue. Jesus says you will know it is truly himself only if he is seen from eastern to western sky, and every eye on earth sees him. (Incidentally, Paul in his epistles never quotes Jesus giving a revelation of truth except one quote in 2 Cor 12:7. Either way, it is strike one. Another ignorant, blaspheming feminist blogger wrote that when Lori Alexander warned against the dangers of elevating “the words of Jesus in the Bible over Paul’s words” instead of treating them equally that she was saying “Don’t Follow Jesus, Just Follow Paul”. See Renan, St. Paul at 220. See JWO Chapter 16. Now I am not discrediting you or your intellect. (1.) Christians follow the teachings of both Paul and Jesus in the Bible. In the 300s, attention returned to Paul because his anti-Sabbath and anti-Law position was desirable to Emperor Constantine. Paul both taught (1) that it was ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols even at an idol temple -- that you refrain only when you can be seen there by a “weaker” brother who needlessly thinks it is wrong to eat such meat and may be encouraged by your freedom so as to violate his own belief and thus be “destroyed”; and (2) Paul taught the Ephesians that he was an apostle of Jesus. Steven Davis. As a result, Constantine fought hard at Nicea to stop Sabbath observance which then was the day prior to SUN-day. It says Paul spoke by “wisdom,” not inspiration. Deuteronomy 13:1-10, reaffirmed by Jesus in Matt 7:14-30. First, Jesus does so in Matthew 5:17-19 in his reference to a person Jesus says is called least — elichthos in Greek. See JWO ch. I have re-read Holy Scripture over and over, and find no positive command to listen to Paul‘s words, standing alone, anywhere in there. Jesus did not start a new religion. See, Then the Gospel of John came. As a result, Constantine fought hard at Nicea to stop Sabbath observance which then was the day prior to SUN-day. So opinions recently varied as well, from major figures. Why is Paul given a pass then? From hote and an; whenever; also causatively inasmuch as. Then the Gospel of John came. It says many fall from Christ by listening to “nonsense” – dysnoetas -- (softened in translation by changing this to “difficult to understand”) from Paul that is used to lead many Christians to “fall from steadfastness" in  Christ” into “lawless” practices. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God. i read the bible online for now, maybe later i will read the quran also. it’s not just for Christians [Jesus] belongs not solely to Christianity, but to the entire world. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_epistles, https://bible.org/seriespage/10-peter-and-paul-2-peter-314-16. See this link. Does Paul contradict Jesus? 9:20-21 where Paul advises he acts law-compliant around those who believe the Law continues, but he knows he is not under the Law / Nomos inwardly). Etc. 1C iC 1Cor i cor icor) Christian Bible Study Resources, Dictionary, Concordance and Search Tools. Jesus in Revelation has another statement obviously intended to alert discerning Christians that Jesus refers negatively to Paul's teachings. But if I am wrong, I welcome you showing it to me. Protestantism has never held a general council to determine canon. This means some people felt a more strong link -- but it was lesser than 50% of the time. See Carlstadt Research. Of Latin origin; Paulus, the name of a Roman and of an apostle. 5:8). Jesus Himself delivered the Words of Life, His teachings and commandments. Meaning, the NT has no writings of Paul 27% of the time, and Paul appears in a separate booklet of just his letters. Fourth, Jesus has another prophecy meant to invoke the Benjamite Wolf Prophecy of Genesis 49:10. Clearly, Tertullian did not believe Paul was to be treated equal to Jesus' speaking. See Ebionites. There’s a great scene from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade that so illustrates this idea of stepping out in faith. The earliest leaders of the church at Jerusalem were called the Poor – EBION in Hebrew, and they rejected Paul. As to Paul’s presence in the canon -- a reading list that was continually changing, the next assessment of Paul’s writings came in 207 AD by Tertullian. Second,  ignoring that fact, scholars agree that subsequently no “official” canon was ever determined until the Council of Trent in the 1500s – by the Roman Catholic church. See Trobisch chapter link. Tertullian and the entire early church were battling a Paul-only movement started in 144 AD brought by Marcion. Let's review in the order of their release. Next, Paul clearly teaches us not to follow the Law given Moses, while Jesus clearly teaches us to follow it in Matt 5:17-19 which will not expire "until heaven and earth pass away" (JWO ch. To truly follow Christ means we do not follow anything else. Was Paul accepted into Biblical Canon? First, I examine the issue of Paul’s canonicity by the Bible’s standards. Yet, excluding the Ebionites, no council until the 1500s ever did make this decision. Only if Paul quotes in advance an angel, God or Jesus should we take Paul as potentially inspired. I obey only what Jesus teaches. Consistent with P46, no collection of Paul’s writings are ever found joined with any other NT writing prior to the 300s. In 321 AD he enacted as the day of rest SUN-DAY to honor the “venerable” (worship-worthy) SUN even though he disengenuinously later claimed shortly before the Nicene Council of 325 AD to have been a ‘Christian’ long prior to 321 AD  -- since 312 AD. Paul did not teach people to offer animal sacrifices in their backyards. In that same 300s era, 34% of the time Paul appears apart from any gospel, but connected to Acts and other epistles. Jesus does so again in his 2 messages on how to have eternal life. “Paul” is Saul's given Latin name at birth - “Paulus” for Paul said he was a Roman citizen from birth. Certainly, Jesus was not negating the Ten Commandments. The first name of the Jesus movement in the book of Acts is "followers of the Way." See Matthew 7:21-23 (“call me Lord,” but work “anomia” – negation of Law given Moses – NOMOS in Greek); Matthew 10:8 (do not take wages for preaching v Paul who says is ok in 2 Cor 11:8, 1 Tim 5:7-18); Matt 23:28 (Pharisees behave outwardly to appear Law-compliant but inwardly filled with ‘lawlessness’ v Paul 1 Cor. 5). Although these activities are generally practiced by Christians, not everyone who does them is a Christian. Paul is always inspired, then we must realize that is false, because Paul's first words of prediction in Acts 27:10 failed. For comparison, “love one another” is the only “one another” that got more mentions. See also History of Jesus' Words Only Canon Movements. See Benjamite Wolf. Engaging in certain religious activities is not equivalent to following Jesus. See Early Church Views of Paul. No answer is recorded. … However, then this proposed list from an ancient letter was adopted at the Council of Trent in the 1500s as the official list. This voice supposedly tells Ananias separately that Paul will be a “witness” (martus in Greek). She thinks if you follow the Red Letters, the radical words of Jesus instead of Paul you’ll end up as an atheist. Christianity is an organism and not an organization. It is the Holy Spirit Who has commanded us in the above verses to … I read Tertullian thoroughly, and found a passage only one other modern commentator (i.e., Edwin Johnson in Antiqua Mater in 1887) underscored before – where Tertullian says. (Matt 24:5-8, 24-27). No one has ever tried because nothing Jesus ever said teaches us to accept as truth anything Paul said independent of Paul quoting Jesus. Thus, the Benjamite Wolf Prophecy of Genesis 49:10 is reiterated by our savior, and modified so we know the ravening wolf will appear in “sheep’s clothing” – he will appear to be a Christian but is not truly one. Let that sink in for a moment. You may be thinking that you are not good enough or worthy to become a disciple of Jesus. But it shows Paul’s intentions.). For those non-Pauline views predominated in what previously were Paul’s missionary churches. Marcion’s 2 key doctrines were the abrogation of the Mosaic Law and faith alone. Those two words were what He spoke to Peter, Andrew, James and John as they fished and to Matthew as he sat at the tax office ( Luke 5:27 ); and those two words are what He still calls for as He walks through this world. The importance of Paul's conversion, his turn-around from persecuting Jesus to preaching Jesus, cannot be underestimated. In Ezekiel, "ravening wolves" is used to describe religious leaders that draw believers away from following the Law including the keeping of the Sabbath. When this passage also says many twist Paul as other “graphe,” the word graphe means nothing more than the word ‘writing.’ It did not signify nor imply Paul was inspired. It is for his Master alone that he is jealous. John’s followers instead dominated all the former Paul churches, and they preached the Law’s continuity, works of repentance, and Jesus’ words in the gospels were the gospel. Succinctly: In Acts, if Paul is always inspired, then Paul gave a failed prophecy that death would happen to some in a shipwreck on a journey (. Paul, a Benjamite (Romans 11:1; Philip 3:5), killed Christians in the morning of his career. On this later point, Paul subsequently said an angel told him that "not one of you will be lost." In the evening of his career, Paul claimed the 12 apostles divided up Gentiles and Jews so Paul would alone only go to the  Gentiles, and the 12 to the Jews. How do we know whom to believe?" However, this is not prophetic or doctrinal anyway. How long have the Pauline epistles been in circulation? Tertullian and the entire early church were battling a Paul-only movement started in 144 AD brought by Marcion. All the rest above simply prepares us to open our minds to listen to our Savior. See JWO Appendix on Canon. It says Paul spoke by “wisdom,” not inspiration. But the fact the Ebionites rejected Paul was too well known, and hence now in the era of Constantine the Ebionites had to be vilified as heretics. I wish this were canonical. At the same time, the Ebionite early leaders of the church were now called heretics. Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Why is Paul given a pass then? Tertullian calls Paul the “apostle of the heretics.”. Hence, when the Bible was assembled under Constantine’s orders, Paul’s letters for the first time appeared immediately after the gospels, instead of at the end, as they had last been often positioned, or not at all connected to them or any NT writing. May Jesus bless you. Many do accept Paul’s writings at this time. Paul had no inspired independent authority, and this is why Paul sought the approval from the 12 apostles on the issue of circumcision in Acts 15; (4.) Regardless, you will find no early support here for Paul if you study. Never in each of the 3 Damascus-wilderness-appearance accounts does this “Jesus” call Paul to be an “apostolos.” The only proof Paul is an apostle of Jesus is Paul’s words. For while one said, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are you not carnal? True followers do not chase me for earthly comfort or reputation, but embrace the suffering and rejection of being united to a crucified Savior. I bore the cross of God’s wrath so that you didn’t have to — but anyone who follows me will bear a cross. Incidentally, you may wish to see that Paul in Acts exposed Luke to a very different set of doctrines than you find in Paul’s letters. 2. Who refers to Paul? Is Paul a prophet? Paul never even quotes Jesus in some revelation as supposedly giving Paul that singular authority. Regardless, you will find no early support here for Paul if you study. Thank you for your letter, and its gracious willingness to ask for proof. “Follow me as I follow Christ.” The apostle Paul wrote this statement (or something like it) seven times. Paul fits the prophecy of Jesus of a false prophet with signs and wonders, etc, who claims a wilderness appearance of Jesus; and, (5.) —Mahatma Gandhi (1869–1948) Following Jesus is not just for Christians. The Following Jesus website and blog is devoted to exploring a life of faith in a postmodern world. see for example this 2 verses below. Luke’s gospel of what Jesus taught is completely in accord with those doctrines Paul taught in Acts in Luke’s hearing. Strike two. Paul states that if we do not take care of our own families, we are worse than unbelievers and have denied the faith (1 Tim. SHOW ME SOME GOOD PROOF OF YOUR CONCEPTS. However, then this proposed list from an ancient letter was adopted at the Council of Trent in the 1500s as the official list. It begins with a prophecy about the tribe of Benjamin in the later days… in Genesis 49:10. And you are taking a big chance as it is a pretty big claim or stance you are undertaking, in which you wish to convince me that nearly 2000 years worth of thousands or maybe millions of theologians did not have the knowledge, wisdom and revelation that you now in the 20th century seem to possess and in a superior fashion to all those who have come before you. Peter - 2 Peter 3:13-18, Acts: 9, Acts 22:26, Acts 15:1-2. - When? For. 4. Paul plays on his name’s meaning “least” in Corinthians when Paul says he is the “least” (elichthos in Greek) of the apostles. Such a belief does not prove it is correct. 3 John 1:11 ESV / 14 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful. Such a belief does not prove it is correct. I merely am debating your notions. There are plenty of other fully-biblical alternatives: disciples, apostles, friends of God. 1 Corinthians 3:22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future. No, not. See this link. Paul’s post-Ascension experience outside Damascus exactly matches the imposter Jesus of which Jesus warned. However, there is no extant complete Bible of any type prior to the 300s. This is a near complete early version of Paul's letters. See, Finally, there are many more implicitly negative references by Jesus to Paul. Jesus alone is the WAY. See Paul Abolished Sabbath. As a result, Paul was essentially forgotten in those churches until the era of Constantine in the 300s. Paul’s letters to the early church also emphasize the need for Christians to follow Jesus’ teachings and apply them to their lives—just as his disciples did. For those non-Pauline views predominated in what previously were Paul’s missionary churches. Ezek 22:26-32. All of them belong to you, 1 Corinthians 4:6 Luke records Paul says “I believe in all things that are, Jesus' Answer to Direct Question on How to Have Eternal Life, Jesus' Prophecy about Who Identified Himself to Paul Outside Damascus, Anti-Pauline Passages in Matthew's Gospel, "The world is full of religious teachers [and] prophets. A Lot of people accept the epistles of Paul, but why don't you? See. See Were There 12 or 13 Apostles? All other church-commentators of that era attacked Marcion as a heretic. A fascinating but largely unknown fact of the New Testament is Paul’s command to believers to follow or imitate him. Alphabetical: am and another Apollos are follow For I men mere not of one Paul says when you NT Letters: 1 Corinthians 3:4 For when one says I follow Paul (1 Cor. Yet, excluding the Ebionites, no council until the 1500s ever did make this decision. As it was in the early church, the Holy Spirit is still equipping the church to follow Jesus (1 Corinthians 12:7 … (God from heaven spoke at Jesus’ baptism before numerous witnesses, and again at the transfiguration before Moses and Elijah, and two apostles.) See, Incidentally, you may wish to see that Paul in Acts exposed Luke to a very different set of doctrines than you find in Paul’s letters. I thus contend our Lord means Paul was a sincere dupe of the voice and light Jesus outside Damascus. As to Paul’s presence in the canon -- a reading list that was continually changing, the next assessment of Paul’s writings came in 207 AD by Tertullian. But, if our commitment to family is greater than our commitment to Jesus Christ and His kingdom, we’ve got it wrong. But I always listen to anyone who can cite something Jesus says that mandates I listen to Paul. However,  I believe it was truth inspired from our Lord Jesus. 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